P!t!r M!rt!ns: Right!
<<< kaxmisman is now known as maxk >>>
P!t!r M!rt!ns: Hi!
maxk: hi
P!t!r M!rt!ns: ho!
P!t!r M!rt!ns: waar blijft bilak?
maxk: komt
maxk: well
peterb: am i right here?
maxk: hoe was de maaltoijd?
maxk: ah there he is
maxk: miss bilak
P!t!r M!rt!ns: English! (english meal!)
peterb: ike begrijpt niet
maxk: ok ok ok
maxk: who asking the questions
P!t!r M!rt!ns: bilka!
peterb: i am ...
peterb: do you have some time now?
<<< P!t!r M!rt!ns is now known as Answering Machine >>>
maxk: I am here for you
<<< peterb is now known as the investigator >>>
<<< maxk is now known as vaguely >>>
the investiga: ok, when did you start the TYP?
vaguely: well shal i?
Answering Mac: 1986
the investiga: was the idea to make it a type magazine?
vaguely: Peter and Jan D. had their birthday party...
the investiga: tell me more about it..
Answering Mac: The Society of Art & Power
vaguely: and they asked everyone to contribute a nn-material contribution to
it
the investiga: maxk and peterm were the founders?
vaguely: so I played around with cutting and pasting and collage those days
Answering Mac: Max initiated!
vaguely: and produced a photocopied pamflet iece of paper
the investiga: max, why did you feel like making a magazine?
vaguely: TYP/Typografisch papier
vaguely: Well...
vaguely: There was niot much happening in Typoland in 86
vaguely: All the older guys weren't interested in the new
vaguely: and we (peter, me and others) were very much interested in the new
vaguely: not so much and only computers
Answering Mac: It was a graveyard, protected by old man.
vaguely: but also the ideas behind it, the images, the words
vaguely: men...
the investiga: did you think it will last that long?
vaguely: That party was really inspiring
Answering Mac: Mainly it had the force of the urge!
vaguely: And Peter, JAn and Henk (...) immidialty wanted to comntinue TYP
Answering Mac: Henk loved paper!
vaguely: That's the birth (read in TYP 10 years (typ www)
the investiga: how many issues did you make, both on paper and Web?
vaguely: Peter?
Answering Mac: 31!
vaguely: wow
the investiga: really?!
Answering Mac: see typ txt only last page
the investiga: i will
vaguely: TYP moved typographic borders
vaguely: when everybody thought they were stuck
Answering Mac: hm
the investiga: it has always been in Dutch right?
Answering Mac: no!
Answering Mac: see fax typ. Spanish! English!
vaguely: TYP reached a small but dedicated audience
the investiga: did you want to move the borders further?
Answering Mac: European lingo!
vaguely: Decicion makers...
the investiga: Opinion makers
the investiga: the last issue on paper was quite criptical...
vaguely: so it moved designers and gave them some understanding of different
things going on
the investiga: how that happened?
Answering Mac: TXT only!
Answering Mac: no, you can start reading whereever you want
the investiga: no images anymore?
Answering Mac: images everywhere! The Web! Hotline Color, Moving!
Answering Mac: Soounds!
vaguely: TYP has been in a crisis at a certain stage
vaguely: But that was just before the box
the investiga: why TXT only then?
Answering Mac: the images are elsewehre
Answering Mac: We are mindpublishers
the investiga: on the WEB?
Answering Mac: yep, 194.109.81.64
Answering Mac: on the ROM
Answering Mac: on our own browser
the investiga: will you continue the magazine on all three medias? (paper,
CD, WWW)?
Answering Mac: See the new MP3player
Answering Mac: Yep!
the investiga: how was the analogue comeback?
Answering Mac: We will have an exhibition in Hoorn. Opens 22 sunday!
the investiga: Where is Hoorn?
Answering Mac: The north!
Answering Mac: Noors Holland
the investiga: Send me the invite please...
Answering Mac: Noord
Answering Mac: Yes!
the investiga: thanks
Answering Mac: I'll look it up.
the investiga: SO why did you interupt the paper version?
Answering Mac: Sunday 22 nov, 16:00
vaguely: I think TYP has become sort of an open, anarchistic space...
Answering Mac: Korte Achterstraat 2a Hoorn
vaguely: Also to produce products you have to be well motivated and
together. To coordinate is hard too
Answering Mac: Its related to the Sandberg Institute (show of several other
independant artist pubictiojns of Tineke Reijnders)
Answering Mac: (sorry)
Answering Mac: Anarchie!
vaguely: Chaos
the investiga: did internet change much for you? you believe more in paper
then before?
Answering Mac: No! We believe in the mind
vaguely: We believe in communication
Answering Mac: The Human mind is a thing of beaty
Answering Mac: beauty
vaguely: We believe in beauty
the investiga: ok, so it might change its form again and again...
Answering Mac: progressive communicatin
the investiga: what is beautiful?
vaguely: beautiful images, beautiful words
vaguely: I think good communication is entertainment
vaguely: Not neccesarily dumb and stupid
the investiga: is world around you beautiful? does it inspire you much to
create beautiful things? or it the other way round?
vaguely: There is a fine balance between entertainment and easthetics
Answering Mac: Yep!
vaguely: The world has several layers
Answering Mac: Hear hear!
vaguely: some of it is beautiful some is ugly
vaguely: the contrast is important
vaguely: yes, the world around is beautiful
vaguely: but the sam time there is a lot of uglymness
vaguely: homeless on the street, murder and disasters
Answering Mac: We are Hippies! Zippies! Communists! Anarchist! We have
stock!
Answering Mac: The AEX is at 1060!
vaguely: sunset, flowers, birds and squirrels
the investiga: did you ever have urge to create ugly things in the
overdesigned Netherlands?
Answering Mac: Yes! YEs! I am very good at that!
vaguely: I just have chicken stock
vaguely: Not so much ugly as well as different
vaguely: to show that there is always a different way of sayiong your words
vaguely: saying
vaguely: It is not that difficult to be different
Answering Mac: [what are you eating/drinking yet??]
vaguely: but to be good in it is so hard
vaguely: who?
Answering Mac: you and you
the investiga: i am just listening...
vaguely: well yes it's about lunch time now
the investiga: i am after dinner
vaguely: but I thought we do this first
Answering Mac: right!
vaguely: ok ok
vaguely: are we doing well? Investigator?
the investiga: shall we continue?
vaguely: yep
Answering Mac: jo!
vaguely: ask
vaguely: ok ok
the investiga: how was TYP evolving with all this technology changes, did
you try to reflect the changes?
vaguely: No
vaguely: well Idon't
the investiga: or is it or about very personal questions that you ask?
Answering Mac: Eh, to be honest, we think we created some oft he changes
vaguely: I think it is about showing what personnaly intrests us
vaguely: and that comes somehow a bit in TYP
Answering Mac: to amuse with what amuses us
vaguely: because it's our platform to perform
vaguely: a small place we created to plotter around
Answering Mac: (plotter?)
vaguely: nothing more or less
vaguely: (play)
the investiga: so it TYP the same as in 1986? 12 years later?
Answering Mac: maybe
vaguely: And that others pick it up is good
vaguely: No
the investiga: so?
vaguely: everything changes
Answering Mac: we don't know
Answering Mac: We have a new logo!
the investiga: are you aware of these changes?
vaguely: no
Answering Mac: well...
vaguely: chaos
the investiga: i don't mean the logo changes..
the investiga: anarchy and stuff
vaguely: we are vaguely organized
Answering Mac: We are a Stichting!
the investiga: you are?
Answering Mac: Yep!
Answering Mac: otherwhise we couldnt be typ.nl
vaguely: Why is typography important to you Peter B?
<<< Answering Machine is now known as Investigator 2! >>>
the investiga: i am very suspiciaois of typography...
vaguely: why?
<<< Investigator 2! is now known as PM >>>
the investiga: but rather that say "fuck it"...
the investiga: i i try to do something...
vaguely: hmm
vaguely: do you think communication depends on typography?
PM: but you have done some good (fun) type!
<<< vaguely is now known as MK >>>
the investiga: i became inable not to read and create typography in my
envirimnet
the investiga: i understand typography in a very braod context...
PM: (i just read you books!)
MK: Im on thephone
the investiga: you read images, city, faces..
PM: thats true
the investiga: that what's interstes me at the moment
MK: sorry just a minute
the investiga: that's why i find new interest in typography again
PM: Sometimes on the other hand it just doesnt seem to matter
the investiga: what matters at the end?
PM: Type was intruced as wild at the THYPE and the someone comes telling
about serifs again...
<<< the investigator is now known as pb >>>
PM: and tells about how long you have to work for one good typeface
PM: that is nonsense
pb: well, there are different people, maybe it's good too
PM: Right@
PM: !
pb: we need those people too!
PM: I like it when something comes and goes ot the rigth moment
PM: like popsongs
pb: back to our magazine talk...
MK: There's the entertainment
PM: you wont to hear them on a certian week, and don't ever after
PM: yep
MK: Magzines are albums
PM: YEA
PM: yeah!
MK: they should be
MK: that's TYP
pb: ..do you still have the same motivation to do magazines?
PM: yes
MK: not all albums should be the same
PM: but to do them HYBRID
MK: I really would like to move away from the 'designer' aspect of magazines
PM: Yeah!
MK: And see them as individual projects
PM: (all right come to Hoorn!)
PM: There the Koekrant is!
MK: So wheter I make a video or magazine, it;'s a similar approach
PM: So it is!
MK: whether
pb: so what are you MK? an editor?
MK: i dunno
PM: he is
pb: thet's being a designer too?
MK: I gues I am an illustrator
pb: 3.0
PM: he is too
PM: 8.0
pb: you are not!
MK: ha ha
MK: an author
MK: is better
PM: a human being
pb: illustratotr is the worst thing
MK: image author
pb: that's better?
MK: I don't agree
MK: I mean I always was asked to make a drawing
MK: In class at primary school
pb: do you want to illustrate words?
MK: In class at High school
MK: and later proffesionaal
PM: f ss
MK: designers tend to be so full of them selves
MK: I just want to make images
MK: and let people enjoy them
MK: or not
pb: ..nice...
MK: nice is the wrong word
pb: ??
MK: when something is moving it is beyond just nice
pb: where is TYP moving?
MK: let me see
MK: PM?
PM: we like tv.typ.nl
pb: can you control it?
pb: the movement..
PM: technically, yes
pb: ..can you?
PM: content?
pb: if everythng changing..
PM: DVD!
PM: Realvideo!
PM: MPEG2
pb: more then that
PM: but again, I like TV and also on the WEB
PM: And is a nice blend of it all
pb: do you find imoprtant to kep up with all this?
PM: i was waiting (see TV-TV)
MK: I don't think control is the issue
pb: design is about certain control
PM: hm
MK: how to articulate is very important. in what ever you create
MK: if you can't make yourself clear there is no use I guess
PM: Television and non-linear media are the way young people see things
MK: That doesn't mean they are clear
MK: and come accross with messages
PM: No but knowledge works that way
pb: were you always clear about what were you doing?
MK: thechknoledge
PM: no
MK: yes
PM: first do
MK: oops
PM: than think
MK: think two
PM: 1. do
PM: 2. think
MK: but peter m yo are a thinker,,
PM: (thinking)
pb: (thinking)
MK: I uploaded some still into TVTYP/maxk
MK: stills
PM: Jo!
PM: do!
MK: of the show
pb: which one?
MK: I have no idea what I wanted to do with TYP
PM: Its a race!
pb: do you know now?
MK: I think I first want to figure out communication values in moving media
PM: Thank you.
MK: create a couple of projects and then complie them into a scheme or so
MK: I am now very much intregued with this character I made
MK: which is playing a major role in some projects
PM: (nice Pic!)
MK: whether he (and she) wants it or not
MK: so for the VPRO I am working on a screensaver with the same starting
points.
MK: but dunno what it will be yet
PM: livesaver
MK: yeh
MK: heard about it?
PM: seen some
pb: do you think about the TYP's readers?
MK: and?
MK: sorry PB
PM: seen some good ones Dick Tuinders!
MK: I think TYP is a something to have
pb: (soory i am kind of delayed)
MK: and not a big audience
MK: I think we offer contributions of some intersting artists
PM: eh, we still think we are popular with designers, and we are not
pb: do you know who is reading TYP? except you and me?
MK: and the audience likes to know about them
PM: I've sold another 250
MK: we get emails from all over
PM: Yes, and have about 1200 people a month
PM: and thousands downloading at holtine!
PM: Holine
pb: is it important for you?
PM: hotline!
PM: no
MK: We have the connection (had surely) between the older, current and new
generations
PM: we have
MK: we know where we come from and we know where we go to
PM: visitor gone
pb: good..
MK: who?
MK: Hey PB how do you record this?
PM: [eh boys, have to finish some article for Publish...] will hang around!
PM: Cut copy paste!
pb: right!
MK: OK PB we'll go on?
pb: 10 more minuets ok?
MK: ok
pb: do you run parallel activities besides TYP?
PM: yes
PM: album
MK: I would like to. but no. not as TYP
PM: Wild Way!
PM: see http://www.xs4all.nl/~fpcm
PM: µ
pb: can't you do those things in TYP?
MK: I am quuite isolated here. And I haven't found a similar environment as
TYP and consorts
PM: i can, but other boys cluns
PM: cluns
PM: clubs
PM: oops
PM: PARK
PM: www.park.nl
PM: double pb?
MK: www.xs4all.nl/~maxk
pb: (oops, i am back)
MK: www.sirius.com/~maxk (mirror)
PM: got it alle copied:
PM: copied?
pb: yes..
<<< MK is now known as PM >>>
PM: huh
PM: Ha!
<<< pb is now known as MK >>>
MK: anarchy
PM: well no
PM: long live the queen
PM: jes
PM: I am falling off my chair
PM: ouch
PM: hey MK
<<< PM is now known as Kickbot >>>
PM: ask mre
MK: which one?
Kickbot: kick
PM: TYPE is end?
PM: sorry lets get serious
MK: i declare this conversation as finished ...
<<< PM is now known as mk >>>
<<< MK is now known as PB >>>
wow: hi all!
mk: did we do wrong?
Kickbot: Hi!
PB: or not?
wow: is there smth from '80s here?
Kickbot: wow is a third!
PB: yes..
mk: ok thanks pb send me mail
Kickbot: bye!
Kickbot: wow!
PB: thansk for your time
PB: i'll get back to you..
mk: yes please do
Kickbot: please do
mk: this was quite hard
wow: huh?
PB: bye
<<< Kickbot is now known as pm >>>
pm: bye<BR>